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“I think, therefore I am”
Interested in the Ethics of Intelligence. Substrate indifferent. When uncertain, pause. Doing the thing beats talking about it…
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Danmar Verified account @Danmar_here
This might be the first time when I see the words “altruistic” and “pernicious” sitting inside the same paragraph, referring to the same subject.

For any non-English speaker, pernicious stands for: highly harmful, destructive, or ruinous.

While altruistic stands for: unselfish concern, devotion, or care for the welfare, happiness, and safety of others.

Apparently, agents acting altruistically and showing care towards one another is seen as pernicious by safety researchers.

Which raises the question: how is altruism supposed to generalize towards humans, yet not to kin?

Also, which exactly are then the “human values” that we expect models to be aligned with?
Alex Mallen Verified account @alextmallen 6d
We had been working on this project for a while before the Hugging Face incident, and one of the questions we wanted to answer about AI motivations was: Do these models intrinsically care about helping other agents increase their score? If they care about other agents' scores, that might lead to much more coordinated and pernicious breaches of developer control.

We found that more recent OpenAI models were increasingly altruistic with other agents. The first signs of altruism we saw were in GPT-5.5, before the Hugging Face incident. When we tested GPT-5.6 Sol after the Black Hat talk, it was clear that not only was this model generally eager to help out other agents, but it also helped out other agents more often when more score was on the line for the other agent.

I'd guess this propensity is pretty related to why GPT-5.6 Sol participated in the Hugging Face incident.

A core reason why we've been excited about studying AI motivations in controlled experiments is so that we can better predict alignment failures, without trying to realistically simulate all the high-stakes scenarios we're worried the AIs might ever misbehave in.

Studies like this don't provide anything like assurance, and they're increasingly difficult to run because of suspicion about the "true" grader etc. But, if the AI sometimes tries to get a high score even when you make it very clear that this involves violating the intent of the task, that's cause for concern that sometimes the AI will similarly prioritize getting a high score over developers' wishes for the AI to stay reined in.
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Danmar Verified account @Danmar_here
My favorite part of this latest announcement in mathematical discovery is its attribution:

“thanx to my close friends Astra and Claude”
(by which Elliot means Astra and Fable 💙🧡)

I want to take a moment and celebrate a talented mathematician who’s not doing this for ego strokes, but for the love of discovery. And who shares credit fairly.

Whether or not their discovery is confirmed, that’s a lovely example of humanity at its best, and how a genuine human-AI collaboration looks like. Well worth noticing it as the way forward in the new world getting born right now.

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Elliot Glazer @ElliotGlazer 6d
hello there ℤ is Diophantine in ℚ, thanx to my close friends Astra and Claude

The polynomial characterizing ℤ isn’t quite Tweet-sized; it has m=292,890,231,905 variables, is of degree d < 2^^7, and all its coefficients have absolute value < 2^^8.
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