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founder @AveaRobotics (YC P26)
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I wonder if a pretrain like astra is the best way to do robotic control. More likely, Astra is treated as a System 2, with PI or Skild models running as System 1.
Freda Duan Verified account @FredaDuan Nov 1
10 Spicy Takes After Talking to 50 Friends at the Frontier of Robotics 🤖🔥

1/ Astra IS robotics' GPT-3 moment. Ironically, now that it's finally here, some in robotics seem reluctant to acknowledge it. Perhaps because it (sadly) didn't come from a robotics company?

2/ Robotics is becoming just another vertical for frontier labs. Not so different from coding in some respects. Why reinvent general intelligence for every industry?

3/ Robotics was too hard to underwrite until now. No convincing pretraining scaling law, no convergence on models, data, or hardware. No wonder some critics dismissed it as a fragmented industry playing an expensive "demo game". Astra may finally offer a credible path to scale.

4/ Robotics foundation-model startups have a case. But how strong is it? The argument: Astra handles System 2 (reasoning), while specialized models retain System 1 (skills) and System 0 (motor control). Fair. But isn't that already a narrower value proposition? And who says the boundary stops there?

5/ Follow the talent. Word is OpenAI reorganized its 30–40-person robotics team around the core Astra model. Hearing similar moves toward general models at @Tesla_Optimus. Org charts may tell us more than any demo.

6/ The robotics data gold rush is real. Million-hour procurement programs, some potentially reaching tens of millions of hours. Talk of budgets approaching $1B per frontier lab.

7/ Bullish on robotics hardware volumes. As intelligence becomes more accessible, the barriers to building useful robots could fall dramatically. The moat shifts toward reliability, dexterity, integration, and deployment.

8/ Robotics could fuel the next semiconductor and memory supercycle. A 100B-parameter model running on the edge requires ~50GB just for 4-bit weights. Now multiply that by millions of robots. Why do you think @JensenHuang is so obsessed with robotics? @elonmusk saw it coming: x.com/elonmusk/statu…

9/ Is self-driving immune to the general-model threat? After coding and robotics, why assume self-driving remains the exclusive domain of proprietary, vertical models? Robotaxi increasingly feels like a solved problem to me. But if and when frontier labs move into self-driving, we could see an Apple vs. Android dynamic. Think about the implications for $TSLA, Waymo, and other OEMs.

10/ The next bottleneck may not be intelligence. It's deployment. Models are improving faster than our ability to deploy robots in the messy real world. Integration, hardware variance, failure recovery, and economics remain brutally hard. The real moat may be turning intelligence into reliable, profitable physical work.

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I realize some of these takes may rub people the wrong way, especially those who have spent years doing the hard work of advancing robotics. That's not my intention.

I'm sharing them to spark debate, not to declare winners and losers. Astra has only been out for a month or so, and it's far too early to draw definitive conclusions. More importantly, when the TAM is this enormous - potentially the largest in tech - there should be plenty of room for different approaches and many winners.

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Full diligence report: robonomics.substack.com/p/robotics-new…
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Ary Indarapu Verified account @aryind_
Actually insane stuff, super excited for what the next version looks like.
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Ary Indarapu Verified account @aryind_
Funny that the only people saying Astra is the GPT moment are people who haven’t actually worked with robots.
Freda Duan Verified account @FredaDuan Nov 1
10 Spicy Takes After Talking to 50 Friends at the Frontier of Robotics 🤖🔥

1/ Astra IS robotics' GPT-3 moment. Ironically, now that it's finally here, some in robotics seem reluctant to acknowledge it. Perhaps because it (sadly) didn't come from a robotics company?

2/ Robotics is becoming just another vertical for frontier labs. Not so different from coding in some respects. Why reinvent general intelligence for every industry?

3/ Robotics was too hard to underwrite until now. No convincing pretraining scaling law, no convergence on models, data, or hardware. No wonder some critics dismissed it as a fragmented industry playing an expensive "demo game". Astra may finally offer a credible path to scale.

4/ Robotics foundation-model startups have a case. But how strong is it? The argument: Astra handles System 2 (reasoning), while specialized models retain System 1 (skills) and System 0 (motor control). Fair. But isn't that already a narrower value proposition? And who says the boundary stops there?

5/ Follow the talent. Word is OpenAI reorganized its 30–40-person robotics team around the core Astra model. Hearing similar moves toward general models at @Tesla_Optimus. Org charts may tell us more than any demo.

6/ The robotics data gold rush is real. Million-hour procurement programs, some potentially reaching tens of millions of hours. Talk of budgets approaching $1B per frontier lab.

7/ Bullish on robotics hardware volumes. As intelligence becomes more accessible, the barriers to building useful robots could fall dramatically. The moat shifts toward reliability, dexterity, integration, and deployment.

8/ Robotics could fuel the next semiconductor and memory supercycle. A 100B-parameter model running on the edge requires ~50GB just for 4-bit weights. Now multiply that by millions of robots. Why do you think @JensenHuang is so obsessed with robotics? @elonmusk saw it coming: x.com/elonmusk/statu…

9/ Is self-driving immune to the general-model threat? After coding and robotics, why assume self-driving remains the exclusive domain of proprietary, vertical models? Robotaxi increasingly feels like a solved problem to me. But if and when frontier labs move into self-driving, we could see an Apple vs. Android dynamic. Think about the implications for $TSLA, Waymo, and other OEMs.

10/ The next bottleneck may not be intelligence. It's deployment. Models are improving faster than our ability to deploy robots in the messy real world. Integration, hardware variance, failure recovery, and economics remain brutally hard. The real moat may be turning intelligence into reliable, profitable physical work.

--
I realize some of these takes may rub people the wrong way, especially those who have spent years doing the hard work of advancing robotics. That's not my intention.

I'm sharing them to spark debate, not to declare winners and losers. Astra has only been out for a month or so, and it's far too early to draw definitive conclusions. More importantly, when the TAM is this enormous - potentially the largest in tech - there should be plenty of room for different approaches and many winners.

++
Full diligence report: robonomics.substack.com/p/robotics-new…
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