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MTS @RicursiveAI LLM Team, prev @Stanford
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Ethan Boneh Verified account @ethanboneh
I had an incredible time training this model. tldr on some nonobvious things I learned:

- Dense models can be surprisingly competitive with much large MoEs in downstream evals! Matching perplexity doesn't necessarily mean matching downstream capability; our dense model often performs better, due to a variety of factors (attention density, less memorization, etc.)
- Once you solve your infrastructure and get your synthetic environment pipelines working well, mixed RL is actually extremely efficient at improving your model. Can't wait to continue scaling posttraining!
- You can use swarms of small agentic models to turn qualitative questions about your datasets into programmable measurements. This creates a powerful feedback loop for systematically improving data quality and climbing tasks
Ricursive Intelligence Verified account @RicursiveAI Nov 4
Today we release Ripple-65B Preview, our 65B dense LLM we pretrained from scratch.

Ripple sets a new state-of-the-art for U.S. open-weight models in agentic coding tasks, surpassing significantly larger models including Muse Spark Open-816B, Beam-501B, Inkling-975B, and Nemotron 3 Ultra-550B.

Learn more: ricursive.com/ripple
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Ethan Boneh Verified account @ethanboneh
Usually you can drop stronger open-weight models into existing pipelines, tweak/combine pipelines, and/or run task-repair agentic setups.

I will say, though, that slightly broken tasks are generally fine for SFT and in many cases can help teach resilience (wrangling with dependencies, looking up documentation, etc), especially given the OpenThoughts-esque results that you don’t need to correctness filter SFT traces. RL is a different story.
ishan Verified account @ishanxnagpal 4d
@ethanboneh hmm if you look at the tasks they open source with the papers they’re always broken tho. by itself oss synth papers have good (sometimes obvious) ideas but very poor QC built into the pipelines

you’ll never find the best ideas in the papers
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Ethan Boneh Verified account @ethanboneh
Yes!! Made possible by building on the wealth of open source synthetic data literature (details coming soon)
Jinyan Su Verified account @SuJinyan6 5d
They reached 80.5 on Terminal-Bench 2.1, where RL took just 700 steps with 1.4M rollouts, around 70x fewer than Reflection's Beam.

And they bought zero post-training data. It's all in-house synthetic pipelines.
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