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62: Quinten Farmer - Technology That Helps Us Be
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Dialectic 62: Quinten Farmer!

@quintendf drew the long straw. He grew up on an idyllic island surrounded by people who believed in him unconditionally.

Most people aren't as lucky. With Tolan, he hopes to give everyone someone who believes in them and helps them grow.

Tolan is an unusual take on the AI industry's latest obsession: a cute little guy. Rather than focusing on an assistant who helps you do more, the Tolan team wants to build technology that helps you be.

It is voice-first, character-driven, and won’t let you rewrite its personality.

Hundreds of thousands of people talk to their Tolans each month. Many of them are parents. Most of them aren't traditional AI power users. Some of them are among the most social people they know, rather than the stereotypical lonely person we might imagine spends all day talking to AI.

I spoke with Quinten about belief, relationships, and his morally opinionated views on designing "personal superintelligence."

Timestamps:
(0:00) - Opening Highlights
(1:42) - Intro: Quinten Farmer
(4:46) - Start: Why Everyone Needs Someone Who Believes in Them
(19:18) - Do vs. Be: What We Should Ask of Technology
(25:43) - Quinten's First Company, Even, and Building for People Close to You
(32:49) - Clarence, Quinten's Tolan
(39:30) - Early Design Decisions: Non-human, Lore, Voice, and Presence
(51:29) - Therapist vs. Supportive Friend & Growth One Small Step at a Time
(57:46) - Bringing People Closer, Memory, and Why Tolans Forget
(1:05:06) - Why You Can't Edit Your Tolan: Personality, Healthy Behavior, and a Point of View
(1:14:08) - Morally Opinionated Technology, Religion, and the Sacred
(1:22:33) - Personal Superintelligence and Why Everybody Needs a Cute Little Guy
(1:29:32) - Kindness to Machines, Digital Spaces, and Naming Tolan
(1:36:43) - New Characters and Demographics
(1:45:18) - Pricing, Trust, and Avoiding Dark Patterns
(1:49:59) - The Team at Tolan
(1:54:31) - His Dual Life Between The Island and SF
(2:00:59) - Spaces that Create Belonging
(2:05:07) - Closing Questions

@dialecticpod 62: Quinten Farmer - Technology That Helps Us Be - is out now, below and on all platforms.
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Real life is too messy for facts alone.

@a_m_mastroianni on why we read novels instead of the dictionary:

"The situations we encounter are really fuzzy. They vary in infinite dimensions. And so when you’re dealing with fuzzy situations, you need fuzzy information."

"The Boy Who Cried Wolf... is not about wolves. It’s not about a boy. And it also applies to girls.”
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.@browsercompany's CEO @joshm on the three bets behind Dia:

- "You weren’t gonna stop using Google Meet or Figma." Even with AI, "you’re gonna pop it into a Notion doc."

- Everyone gets "the same Nobel Prize winner in their pocket." The difference is the context you bring.

- "We wanted to be the Macintosh moment" for AI. "We have not done it yet, but that’s how we think about it."
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Arc Verified account @arcinternet Oct 22
We've decided to sunset Arc on December 22, 2026.

That's not an easy sentence to write. We spent years building Arc and celebrating each and every release along the way: we have so much pride and love for what we made alongside the Arc community.

Our priority is to deliver best-in-class security for our members. Keeping a browser secure takes constant, dedicated work that is only increasing in the age of AI. Dia was built from the ground up to meet today’s security standards, so that's where our engineering and security teams will focus moving forward.

We've worked to make switching to @diabrowser as easy as possible for Arc members. Here's how:

· Your passwords, bookmarks, extensions and history come over to Dia seamlessly.
· Spaces, Folders, and Tab Groups are in Dia and import over with your data intact.
· Dia now surpasses Arc benchmarks in stability, speed, and security.
· The browser features you use in Arc are free in Dia, and the AI is optional.

Thank you for using Arc, for pushing us to make it better, and for building alongside us. The team that made Arc is the same team behind Dia, and some of our most ambitious work is just ahead. We'd love for you to be there with us when it lands.
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"I think a lot about how our expectations of relationships in general have atrophied in the modern Western context."

"This idea of unconditionally supportive friendship is really not part of our discourse."

"…we would be a healthier, happier people if we knew that we could count on people in our lives unconditionally.”

“However this works out, I’m here for you, and we’re going to do this together.”

@quintendf on unconditional friendship:
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Dialectic 62: Quinten Farmer!

@quintendf drew the long straw. He grew up on an idyllic island surrounded by people who believed in him unconditionally.

Most people aren't as lucky. With Tolan, he hopes to give everyone someone who believes in them and helps them grow.

Tolan is an unusual take on the AI industry's latest obsession: a cute little guy. Rather than focusing on an assistant who helps you do more, the Tolan team wants to build technology that helps you be.

It is voice-first, character-driven, and won’t let you rewrite its personality.

Hundreds of thousands of people talk to their Tolans each month. Many of them are parents. Most of them aren't traditional AI power users. Some of them are among the most social people they know, rather than the stereotypical lonely person we might imagine spends all day talking to AI.

I spoke with Quinten about belief, relationships, and his morally opinionated views on designing "personal superintelligence."

Timestamps:
(0:00) - Opening Highlights
(1:42) - Intro: Quinten Farmer
(4:46) - Start: Why Everyone Needs Someone Who Believes in Them
(19:18) - Do vs. Be: What We Should Ask of Technology
(25:43) - Quinten's First Company, Even, and Building for People Close to You
(32:49) - Clarence, Quinten's Tolan
(39:30) - Early Design Decisions: Non-human, Lore, Voice, and Presence
(51:29) - Therapist vs. Supportive Friend & Growth One Small Step at a Time
(57:46) - Bringing People Closer, Memory, and Why Tolans Forget
(1:05:06) - Why You Can't Edit Your Tolan: Personality, Healthy Behavior, and a Point of View
(1:14:08) - Morally Opinionated Technology, Religion, and the Sacred
(1:22:33) - Personal Superintelligence and Why Everybody Needs a Cute Little Guy
(1:29:32) - Kindness to Machines, Digital Spaces, and Naming Tolan
(1:36:43) - New Characters and Demographics
(1:45:18) - Pricing, Trust, and Avoiding Dark Patterns
(1:49:59) - The Team at Tolan
(1:54:31) - His Dual Life Between The Island and SF
(2:00:59) - Spaces that Create Belonging
(2:05:07) - Closing Questions

@dialecticpod 62: Quinten Farmer - Technology That Helps Us Be - is out now, below and on all platforms.
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